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102 arrested during protest after Rage Against the Machine concert in Minneapolis

Thu Sep 4, 2008 8:33 PM EDT
us-news, protests, rnc, rage-against-the-machine
By Ben Josephs

Zack de la Rocha and company sing the Star Spangled Banner.
Photo by Ben Pecka

A journalist wears a gas mask.
Photo by Ben Pecka

Photo by Ben Pecka

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102 people were arrested after fans took to the streets in an impromptu protest march after a Rage Against the Machine concert in Minneapolis Wednesday night.

Before letting out the concert, fans were asked to stay peaceful and to remain above the tactics of the police but were told that they didn't have to be passive.

Thousands poured out of the Target Center and were met by dozens of police on their bikes and in riot gear but the crowd thinned to a few hundred after a relatively short time. The remainder gathered on First Avenue, stopped traffic and began to chant, "Who's streets? Our streets!"

The protesters began to march up and down First Avenue. Three young men held up a banner they made out of four American flags. As the crowd headed down Seventh Street, with these men leading the way, they were met by a blockade of officers.

After engaging in a standoff for approximately a half hour, an officer got on a megaphone and announced that the protesters were free to head south on First Avenue. The crowd, heeding advice of not having to remain passive, refused and again began to chant, "Who's streets? Our streets!"

Dozens upon dozens of officers started to arrive behind the blockade and began to put on their gas masks.

Journalists followed suit and the smell of vinegar became thick in the air.

Zack de la Rocha, Rage Against the Machine front man, and some crew were hanging out behind a fence next to the Target Center, watching the situation intensely. As the police disbanded their blockade and allowed protesters to continue down the street, la Rocha began to sing the Star Spangled Banner with great enthusiasm. The crew joined in.

This victory, however, was short lived.

What happened next isn't crystal clear to this reporter but it appeared that police allowed the protesters to continue their march only to later to block them in.

A circle of the perimeter confirmed this and there were reports that the crowd was gassed while being surrounded.

After the situation died down, a young man emerged from a sea of police cars. When questioned, he said that he was asked if he wanted to be arrested. He replied with a no and was released.

He quickly left the scene and answered no more questions.

© 2008 Ben Pecka All rights reserved .

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Ben Josephs

This was a pretty intense situation and I got the hell out of there, which was lucky because I would of never noticed Zack de la Rocha.

A bystander was actually pepper sprayed by an officer on a bike and I was upwind and got some residual. Man, you don't want to get a direct shot of that.

  • 12 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 8:41 PM EDT
Ben Josephs

... err downwind?

  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 9:01 PM EDT
Viki Babbles Gonia

Does it matter?

  • 6 votes
#1.2 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 11:00 PM EDT
Ben Josephs

Nope, sure doesn't!

  • 5 votes
#1.3 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 11:59 PM EDT
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MrCerebellum

wait....wasn't this also the setting for that music video that Michael Moore did?

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 8:57 PM EDT
azsky13

Ben... Good job! I loved the pictures! I tried to stay up last night for awhile to see what was happening, but there wasn't much information. I figured you or Stacy would have something up about it. So, did you stay out of trouble today or were you back in St Paul for tonights spectacle on the bridge?

I wish I were 20 years younger so I could have covered more of this with you and Stacy. I was too young for the 60's and too old for this!

  • 8 votes
Reply#3 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 10:21 PM EDT
Viki Babbles Gonia

The level of support you've been providing is essential to this type of coverage. Don't sell yourself short, my friend.

  • 9 votes
#3.1 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 11:03 PM EDT
StacyM

The level of support you've been providing is essential to this type of coverage.

No doubt. azsky is a researching machine. Pretty much any speculation she had about the RNC and the protests has come to pass, it's pretty amazing.

Honestly, we wouldn't of had a clue what was going on, or what areas we should watch, without her mad researching skillz.

  • 7 votes
#3.2 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 11:52 PM EDT
Ben Josephs

Totally agreed! Logistics are important to any team.

  • 3 votes
#3.3 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 12:01 AM EDT
azsky13

@ Stacy and Viki... Thank you both very much, I just wish I had been more help on the ground covering this.

Stacy... You and Ben were awesome! You both have been on the run with this since Saturday. Just I am so proud to be in this collaboration with the two of you.

  • 3 votes
#3.4 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 12:05 AM EDT
Tom Joad

The level of support you've been providing is essential to this type of coverage.
No doubt. azsky is a researching machine. Pretty much any speculation she had about the RNC and the protests has come to pass, it's pretty amazing.

Honestly, we wouldn't of had a clue what was going on, or what areas we should watch, without her mad researching skillz.

You guys care to share what yer talking about? I feel like I'm missing some background info...if you wanna vet me before you talk about it, just check my column out. Speaks for itself.

  • 4 votes
#3.5 - Sun Sep 7, 2008 8:26 AM EDT
Ben Josephs

RNC Collaboration announcement

We were working on this long before there was any Newsvine or MSNBC/MySpace/NBC involvement.

  • 4 votes
#3.6 - Sun Sep 7, 2008 12:38 PM EDT
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Maxwell Despard

Vinegar is awesome.

Good article, Ben.

  • 5 votes
Reply#4 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 11:00 PM EDT
Viki Babbles Gonia

Ben! Great job, great pics.

You guys are getting yourselves into the thick of it and really making it come alive for Newsvine. Thank you for what you're doing.

PS--I knew you'd be great. Didn't I tell you all along you'd do great? You're doing great.

Oh hell. I sound like someone's mom.

  • 9 votes
Reply#5 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 11:01 PM EDT
Ben Josephs

Note to self: Viki is always right.

And by the way, thank you for letting me bug you about things. You were definitely instrumental in helping me do this.

  • 5 votes
#5.1 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 12:06 AM EDT
Viki Babbles Gonia

Viki is always right.

I told you!

;)

Anytime, Ben. I was glad to help.

  • 6 votes
#5.2 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 8:42 AM EDT
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gladbutterfly

Terrific article, Ben, and great photos too. You people in the Twin Cities are doing a great job of reporting on this demonstration of the New World Order. You're very brave. Good work.

  • 5 votes
Reply#6 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 11:20 PM EDT
StacyM

Oh wow! That first shot *is* most awesomeness, Ben!

Yeah, what is with the journalists with the gas masks? I saw a ton of them in St Paul today. Note to self - next time, we need gas masks.

That first step out into the street after the show into a sea of media and riot cops was so surreal. I can't even begin to explain it.

  • 10 votes
Reply#7 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 11:50 PM EDT
Ben Josephs

All I kept thinking is that I wish I had thought enough to bring goggles and a handkerchief, and to be honest I almost left right away because I was so tired.

  • 5 votes
#7.1 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 12:09 AM EDT
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Pamela Drew

Fantastic photo journalism; the reporter in the gas mask is a picture worth a thousand words!! The article is wonderful and all the first hand reporting from the twin cities has been a real treat, thank you all!!

  • 8 votes
Reply#8 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 12:05 AM EDT
azsky13

Note to self - next time, we need gas masks.

Maybe Calvin will buy them for us... Seriously though, if I remember wasn't that one of the things that was illegal to have.

For anyone wondering about the references to vinegar, that is the cheap method for dealing with pepper spray and tear gas. They would soak a bandana in vinegar and wear it across their face. However, I asked my brother if it was effective as he had to take training in the army. He said nothing helps, but a gas mask.

  • 4 votes
Reply#9 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 12:14 AM EDT
StacyM

Seriously though, if I remember wasn't that one of the things that was illegal to have.

That's what I had heard, and I think it was some of the more "damning" finds in the raids last weekend. But I've seen numerous reporters with press credentials dangling from their necks with them. I've also seen a lot of protesters with them as well and haven't seen anyone harassed for wearing them, although yesterday in St Paul it sound like a group of protesters and citizen reporters get their bottle of vinegar taken away. I've also seen a lot of surgical masks.

  • 5 votes
#9.1 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 1:33 PM EDT
Tom Joad

Raids? Is this only in the Twin Cities? What the HELL is going on?

  • 2 votes
#9.2 - Sun Sep 7, 2008 8:28 AM EDT
Ben Josephs

Raids (and arrests) happened throughout the Twin Cities the weekend before the RNC. The logic was that getting rid of some of the bad apples would prevent protests from becoming riots during the convention.

We have several articles regarding the raids, perhaps that will clear up some questions for you:

Police raid on RNC Welcoming Commitee "Convergence Center" in St Paul and other gathering places throughout the Twin Cities

Emotion runs high as RNC protesters hold conferences in response to raids

Restraining order sought against police at RNC after independent journalists repeatedly targeted

  • 4 votes
#9.3 - Sun Sep 7, 2008 12:51 PM EDT
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mamamama2

This entire experience has been a pain in the anatomy for those of us living in the Twin Cities. And no one among the local democratic establishment has made statements about the violence of the anarchists who came in from out of state. It's been shameful.

No inconvenience befell the RNC delegates, who might as well have been on Mars, they were so well protected from the real world. With a couple of early assaults on delegates, the inconvenience to the GOP ended - but residents of St Paul where the actual event took place suffered at the bizarre accommodation given the RNC and at the violence and disruption by protesters who were interested in anarchy rather than peace. Check out the coverage in the local papers at www.twincities.com

  • 3 votes
Reply#10 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 12:15 AM EDT
azsky13

mamamama2... Do you live in St Paul? I was going to try to connect with some people I know there to see how much of a problem the convention was for them. Did you have any problems getting around?

  • 1 vote
#10.1 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 12:27 AM EDT
Maxwell Despard

Much of the violence has been prompted by / carried out by agent provocateurs. Much of the rest is directed at the jerks that illegally raided and abused their comrades. The cops are armed with pepper spray, clubs, tear gas, guns, riot gear, handcuffs, and the National Guard. The anarchists have signs, bandannas, plastic shields, and maybe one @!$%# with a couple of molotov cocktails. The cops attacked first. Second. Third. And fourth.

You know how some people say that you don't need to worry about NSA wiretapping if you're not doing anything wrong? Well, the establishment doesn't have to worry about its people lashing out at it if it's not doing anything wrong. Problem is, the establishment encompasses government and private sector; the mainstream media is part of it. They've got a monopoly on violence and propaganda, and we're too busy being employees and watching lame sitcoms to question them.

By putting forth that anarchy and peace are mutually exclusive, you are displaying your ignorance of anarchism. I don't mean this to be insulting, but you are being dismissive of a very nuanced and surprisingly large group of people with similar political / philosophical ideologies, by putting forth untrue and unresearched claims as fact.

  • 4 votes
#10.2 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 12:34 AM EDT
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Danny McGee

Fantastic article, Ben. It was so well-written and the photos were so illustrative that for a while I thought it was an AP seed with a really long quote. Then I realized that you're one of the 'Viners covering the RNC. Well done, sir. Very well done.

  • 5 votes
Reply#11 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 2:15 AM EDT
Ben Josephs

I appreciate that comment, Danny. It verifies to me that I got this one right.

  • 5 votes
#11.1 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 12:34 PM EDT
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SteveHouse

What happened next isn't crystal clear to this reporter but it appeared that police allowed the protesters to continue their march only to later to block them in.

That's the feeling I got from Stacy's article too. She said they were blocked in and told to disperse down a street that had formerly been blocked by human-and-pepper-spray barricade, which doubtlessly caused a bunch of confusion. Smells a lot like goading and egg-on-ing from the cops so they can make the group look defiant. STORY: Brave RNC police officers disperse unauthorized mob on the verge of turning violent.

Zack de la Rocha, Rage Against the Machine front man, and some crew were hanging out behind a fence next to the Target Center, watching the situation intensely.

I saw a report somewhere that as the march was starting, RATM hopped in some SUVs to leave. A couple guys started yelling at them, stuff like "Get out and march with us!"

Thanks for the story, Ben.

  • 4 votes
Reply#12 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 3:55 AM EDT
Maxwell Despard

It takes something special to square off with riot cops. Maybe they prefer rhetoric and advocacy. Maybe they're getting old. Maybe there was a good reason. I dunno. It would be a letdown if they wussed out, but objectively, you have to leave a little sense behind to face off with those bastards.

  • 3 votes
#12.1 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 8:02 AM EDT
Ben Josephs

Anytime I saw a standoff, they used this tactic. Block 'em in, gas/taze/mace and arrest.

  • 4 votes
#12.2 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 11:52 AM EDT
Bill Harrison

Maxwell

The last one of these clowns I saw squaring off with someone he was missing a bunch of teeth after he tried to climb the Navy Memorial here in DC and plant the anarchist black flag atop it during the '00 IMF/World Bank meetings protests. Navy chief didn't take to that "flag-raising" much.

  • 1 vote
#12.3 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 1:23 PM EDT
Maxwell Despard

Clowns? What do you know about anarchists? Do you know what the black flag represents?

  • 3 votes
#12.4 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 1:44 PM EDT
Tom Joad

I don't know what it represents. Care to share, big dog?

  • 2 votes
#12.5 - Sun Sep 7, 2008 8:31 AM EDT
Maxwell Despard

It represents no nation. No hierarchy. No borders. It originated with the jolly roger, and found its way as the ideology behind piracy fell in with anarchist principles (in a manner of speaking, pirates were proto-anarchists) during / after the French Revolution by workers and the poor. By the 1880s, it had made its way across oceans and had become one of the most recognizable anarchist symbols, along with the circle-A / Ⓐ, which is a direct reference to Proudhon's "Anarchy is Order."

Seriously, Wikipedia has a lot of information on anarchism. Very in-depth, very accurate. Interesting reading, I think.

  • 3 votes
#12.6 - Sun Sep 7, 2008 10:17 AM EDT
Tom Joad

Got a bud you'd get along with pretty well. His site is www.mr-coolerer.net, and he's a big anarchist type. Also rather intelligent about it, too.

Personally, I feel that SOME sort of system is necessary, especially when you're dealing with large numbers of people. America was founded on some really great ideals, but over the past 100 years or so, the more I learn the less I like what we've become.

  • 1 vote
#12.7 - Sun Sep 7, 2008 5:08 PM EDT
Maxwell Despard

The heart of the Constitution was violated in the first 8 years of the nation; it was broken before we were done putting it together.

A system is fine; like I said, organization is an integral part of any anarchist situation. It's hierarchy and oppression that's the issue.

Looks like a pretty interesting site; I'll definitely dig a little deeper when I've got some more time.

  • 2 votes
#12.8 - Sun Sep 7, 2008 6:45 PM EDT
Ben Josephs

Anarchy has a lot of work to do. Doesn't it?

  • 1 vote
#12.9 - Sun Sep 7, 2008 7:36 PM EDT
Tom Joad

The heart of the Constitution was violated in the first 8 years of the nation; it was broken before we were done putting it together.

Care to elaborate?

  • 1 vote
#12.10 - Sun Sep 7, 2008 10:12 PM EDT
Maxwell Despard

Ben: Hah, this is very true. But hey, improbability and difficulty don't qualify as good reasons not to fight the good fight.

Tom: The violent quelling of the Whiskey Rebellion was problematic; it could have been handled in such a manner indicative of actually giving a rat's ass. Refusing to help France with their revolution was pretty rude. Oh, and this was a couple of years later, but the Alien and Sedition Acts and the Quasi-War sucked like, whoa.

  • 1 vote
#12.11 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:08 AM EDT
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Marion Otto

glad to see young folks protesting. there are lot of reasons to protest these days. my one criticism is that zack de la Rocha and company encouraged the protest and then watched all the action, safely from behind a fence. cowards are so unattractive.

  • 2 votes
Reply#13 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 11:15 AM EDT
stanley-davis60

That's true but you can't really expect much from ppl like that, and unless someone encourages me to protest my being there themselves and making a public announcement asking other to support i wont do it. Let them be the examples.

    Reply#14 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 11:52 AM EDT
    Maxwell Despard

    People like what?

    • 4 votes
    #14.1 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 1:44 PM EDT
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    J-daddy

    The band should have been arrested for inciting a riot. Then mockingly sang the Star Spangled Banner? They are lucky we live in a country where these idiots can speak freely. Go ahead and demonstrate and speak, just don't act like hoodlums, break the law, and infringe on the general public.

      Reply#15 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 11:08 PM EDT
      Ben Josephs

      They should be charged with a riot that never happened for protesters who took their advice and remained peaceful but not passive?

      They did not mock the Star Spangled Banner. You can see the intensity in Zach de la Rocha's face in the photograph. Look at it. The other two were just having fun with it because they seemed intoxicated and were probably groupies doing what groupies do.

      • 8 votes
      #15.1 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 11:22 PM EDT
      Maxwell Despard

      Idiots, huh? Good to know that in the face of things that you don't understand / agree with, there's always good ol' fashioned nationalism and name-calling to fall back on. Who needs logic, reason, or evidence when you've got a flag and a list of your favorite insults from middle school?

      • 7 votes
      #15.2 - Sat Sep 6, 2008 12:22 AM EDT
      Tom Joad

      Who needs logic, reason, or evidence when you've got a flag and a list of your favorite insults from middle school?

      Didn't you watch G.W.'s campaign? These are the tactics that helped him win...

      • 3 votes
      #15.3 - Sun Sep 7, 2008 8:39 AM EDT
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      tgstk2

      Wow, I heard eye-witness reporting of this on the Thom Hartmann show, and now I read about it on the 'vine. Pretty scary stuff to see carried out on the streets of our nation. The reality we struggle with is difficult and demanding. I commend the journalists who are reporting what the powers that be want to keep in the dark. Keep it real so all of us will benefit.

      Here are some radical words from one of the original community organizers.

      Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
      Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.
      Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.
      Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.
      Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.
      Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.
      Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#16 - Sat Sep 6, 2008 12:43 AM EDT
      Maxwell Despard

      All I've heard from the mainstream media is a bunch of bogus propaganda. They're casting the anarchists as terrorists, while defending the cops.

      • 3 votes
      #16.1 - Sat Sep 6, 2008 12:49 AM EDT
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      MALife

      Fantastic article. Great pictures too. Can't really say I'm shocked about this but it's great to see Rage is still at it.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#17 - Sat Sep 6, 2008 9:42 PM EDT
      Robert-Eglin AFB, FL

      So what exactly were they protesting??? Doesnt even sound like there was a point to all this.....

      • 3 votes
      Reply#18 - Sun Sep 7, 2008 12:55 AM EDT
      Ben Josephs

      It was impromptu so it's logical to assume that it was general angst.

      • 1 vote
      #18.1 - Sun Sep 7, 2008 1:14 AM EDT
      Robert-Eglin AFB, FL

      Gotcha.. blowing off steam then!

      • 3 votes
      #18.2 - Sun Sep 7, 2008 1:41 AM EDT
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      The Independent Man

      Rage Against the Machine is an Icon that spans many years.
      It has been sort of the Mascot of the American Indian Movement for a long long time.
      No one group in America stands more for FREEDOM than this group.

      Rage Against the Machine...this says it all.
      Thanks Ben for putting this up.

      I would hope to remind everyone that the "Machine" is not just the "Left" or the "Right".

      The MACHINE is the central figure. Central.

      The Machine IS Washington D.C.

      The Machine is BOTH parties, left and right. It is they play on the People's emotions....they get them to believe that the People are able to obtain change simply by voting in or out, whatever party is in or out at the time. Changing from Democrat to Republican to Democrat to Republican every 4 or 8 years is not the answer.

      BE INDEPENDENT.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#19 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 8:12 PM EDT
      Maxwell Despard

      I say, let's all become anti-authoritarians / anarchists, and rebuild the whole damned system. Or if nothing else, tell the ruling class to get @!$%#ed, and live our own lives on our own terms.

      'Cause my idea is totally more likely to work. ;-P

      • 3 votes
      #19.1 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 8:53 PM EDT
      Tom Joad

      If you become anti-authoritarian, that means you're not going to do whatever I tell you to...and that's simply unacceptable.

      • 4 votes
      #19.2 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:46 PM EDT
      Ben Josephs

      rebuild the whole damned system.

      I could go for that.

      • 3 votes
      #19.3 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 12:44 AM EDT
      azsky13

      but, in what form would you rebuild?

      • 1 vote
      #19.4 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 12:53 AM EDT
      Ben Josephs

      We can start by reducing the federal government as much as possible and getting rid of as many politicians as we can.

      • 2 votes
      #19.5 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 1:39 AM EDT
      The Independent Man

      BEN....If I could vote a million times on that comment I would.
      You are sooooo right here.
      I vote YOU President of America right now.

      • 2 votes
      #19.6 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 4:09 AM EDT
      The Independent Man

      Tom Joad!!

      How funny!!
      I can't stop laughing at that one!
      May I quote you.?
      Way funny!

      • 2 votes
      #19.7 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 4:12 AM EDT
      Tom Joad

      Getting rid of the politicians will change nothing, except the number of politicians. I think perhaps what should be looked at is the CHARACTER of the politicians. Look at their voting record. Call their offices, and get to know the ones for which you are a constituent. Ask them what they are doing to make Washington a better place, rather than continuing the status quo, and see what they say...
      Does anyone know what the pay for a Congressman is these days? 160K a year...that's 8 times what I make, currently.

      • 2 votes
      #19.8 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:51 AM EDT
      Ben Josephs

      Aren't we already supposed to be doing that? The public at large doesn't seem to be a very good judge of character.

      The people involved with running this country have way too much power in their hands. It's high time it be dispersed to more people. Whether this means leveling the playing field of the current system or restructuring the whole damned thing, I don't care. We can't continue having these self-serving people pretending to serve our interests.

      • 2 votes
      #19.9 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:43 AM EDT
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